A once ETM Preacher practicing deceit on me
On this date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:39:53 +0800,
I received an email marked PERSONAL from someone who was once an Endtime Message preacher. The correspondence later revealed that he was practicing deceit; he had an agenda which came to light.
Dear Bro. Gan,
Shalom. How are you and your health? We trust and believe that you are doing fine and enjoying the blessings of the Lord. It’s been long that haven’t heard from you, so thought let me write to you.
We thank the Lord for his continuous blessings that he has blessed us throughout the last 365 days. We have past 365 days and are closer to the coming of the Lord. We also thank the Lord for the freedom of the spirit that we are experiencing during the worship and in our day to day Christian life.
I know you are aware of the happenings in the Message Church around the World but still thought to send you some videos that might give you more insight to know what is going on in the Message Church.
Sorry to disturb your privacy, I am sure you will pardon me in brotherly love.
God Bless You.
Third Pull In Action
“And God dwells in mankind, and man himself is Deity. Hallelujah!”
“Spirit of Deity working in the Message Church, God in my Flesh, In the Flesh of the Prophet. Elijah of this day is Jesus Christ.”
Edgar Roscoe is the Pastor of the largest Message Church in Durban, South Africa.
In this video you can watch and hear that during the worship service the congregation and the Song leader is singing and shouting “In the name of Edgar Roscoe Break Every Chain Break Every Chain, In the name of Our God”. https://www.facebook.com/…/wmbd…/permalink/1226795300798314/
In this video you can watch and hear that during the worship service the congregation is singing and shouting Elohim Roscoe, Elohim Roscoe.
In this video you can watch and hear that during the worship service the congregation is singing and praising Roscoe, Roscoe
Congregation of the largest Message Church in Enfield London singing and praising William Branham with the song titled “Who Was This Man”.
Spirit of Deity working in the Message Church in India,
Greetings, Bro S...
Please do not think that I am not aware of the goings-on in THE MESSAGE PEOPLE as you called it.
How many preachers do you know (who believe Branham to be the endtime messenger) that are fighting against the fanaticism that exists in the movement? I am not talking about people like the Bergens and John Collins and even you, who are LOOKING FOR FAULTS IN BRANHAM'S WORDS to condemn him as a false prophet. People such as the Bergens and Collins, and you, were once staunch believers, but having been told of some discrepancies, began shooting Branham down. And like you, you were even sarcastic in the email you once wrote me.
You don't really know me, and my calling, because I don't put out details of my calling (how the Lord called me to His ministry) and my testimony for people to read. I have reasons, and one of them is the fanaticism that people have, either for me or against me. I came to the message of Branham in the middle of 1971, and the Lord taught me and showed me, after 2 years, of hearing preachers from USA, Germany, Canada and NZ, what was happening in the movement. A prophecy came and later a vision came concerning my ministry, and what I was to expect. And I saw it all when I started travelling in 1981. So, my question in the paragraph above, as to who do you know are fighting against the fanaticism in the movement all the years that you have been in the message yourself (before you got messed up with the opposite end of the extreme)?
I have been attacked by many preachers, like Ted Posedly, Hilderbrandt, Richard Muller who burnt my books because I preached the Truth. There are still those out there, telling their people to burn my books. They didn't like what I said about Branham. And those "giants" in the message, like Pearry Green and Byskal, I knew that they didn't know what they thought they knew.
If you and those ANTI-BRANHAM people want to continue faulting Branham, you will surely find plenty more ERRORS, DISCREPANCIES, LIES, ETC. to fault him. God has allowed all these to happen in the last several years, what I already knew would happen back then before 1974. That's why I kept away from the many preachers because of the Lord's warning, and I am still doing that. God has allowed the SHAKING to come, by the very people who once were staunch believer and followers of THE MESSAGE, but who never had an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. They heard, but they NEVER REALLY HEAR. No wonder, Jesus said: "Take head WHAT YOU HEAR, and HOW YOU HEAR." Yes, you heard the message, but did you take heed to HOW YOU HEAR and WHAT YOU HEAR?
If you hear a message of God rightly, you will know the Truth from the beginning. But if you do not, and you think you do, you get yourself mess up. And when you look at the words, are you seeing or are you simply just looking? I have seen many preachers changing their views of what THE MESSAGE is, and the doctrines that Branham taught. Why did they change their doctrines, revelations, etc, now and then? Because they did not have the Truth; they did not have the revelation; they did not understand.
Now, if you are trying to influence me to change my mind about Branham and the message, forget it. God had shown me the Truth, back in the 1970s, in ways you do not know. I am to remain simple, preach and teach the Word. There are many out there in Africa, India, Philippines, Europe, South America and USA where preachers are lifted up and worshipped by their congregation because they made claims of this and that, and their followers became fanatics. It is all emotional and religiosity, not one bit of revelation. Many are looking for signs. Yes, God sent them strong delusion that they believed a lie. Are you religious or are you spiritual?
Are you diligently seeking for Truth, or for are you seeking for errors? The Lord never tell His people to search for error. He told them to SEARCH the Truth. What truth? Truth of Branham's mistakes, discrepancies, etc? If you do that, you will find plenty. But when you diligently SEARCH THE TRUTH OF GOD, you will get GOD'S TRUTH.
The videos you sent are old news to me. I know them several years ago, some even 15-20 years back. There are plenty more of such fanatics. Do they worry me, scare me? Not one bit. This world belongs to Satan; the systems are all his to manipulate. I do not live in a religious realm; I live in a spiritual realm. Branhamites, like many traditional Christians are living in religious realm; so are the Bergens and Collins. Are you?
I thank you for your concern, and may you truly search for THE TRUTH, not the "truth" of BELIEVE THE TRUTH. Shalom.
§§§ As correspondence with this preacher increased in the following few days, it dawned on me that this preacher was actually trying to get me to side with his "theologies" that Branham was a false prophet, and at the same time he wanted the discussion to be wrapped in secrecy. What was his fear, perhaps an agenda to hide it from certain believers?
15 Feb, 2018
With the recent spate of emails from you over your suspicion about me, and what happened in Kumbhoj, I find your words disturbing, now that I have looked back on what you have written. I believe you were trying to get me on to your negative side about Bro Branham, his claims, and his teachings. If that was not the case, why then did you mark on the "Subject" line of your email (written in Feb. 2016) as "PERSONAL"? In the email, you wrote:
"Appreciate your willingness to cooperate and help me to find the True answers of my Questions. I know you must have already gone through these questions during your ministry. I trust and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in the right direction to answer these questions."
What was your intention? What was your motive? You have had already made up your mind about William Branham, why then did you ask me to keep the correspondence as PERSONAL? Why? Why so secretive? Was it because you were not certain of your "revelation" concerning Bro Branham being a liar, a plagiarizer, a teacher of false doctrines, etc? Or, was it that you did not want others to know about your true stand? (I know of a good number of preachers who have different stands when they are with the different groups. An ulterior motive exists, of course.)
In your audio, you said that I have a habit of publishing emails. What emails? Emails that exposed the sins of believers who wrote me, eg. a believer who needed help about his sexual sin? Or, emails of those who attacked the Truth, twisting my words? Those who attacked the Truth should not be afraid to have their words in print. Those who have attacked me, or Bro Branham, have already been spreading their attacks far and wide. So, why were you afraid? And, did I published those emails of yours marked "PERSONAL"? If you wanted certain particular emails of yours to be confidential, so that people should not know about your TRUE stand (against what you once believed to be true, for many years), then you must be a hypocrite, who are afraid to make a public confession. (Remember Apostle Peter's hypocrisy? He was afraid to make his stand with those Elders from Jerusalem.) If you dare to believe what you believe to be true, why did you want things to be kept secret, away from your people, and whoever they may be? Also, remember that a double-minded man is unstable in ALL his ways.
I vaguely recall an email in that same period, written by a sister. (Whether it was before or after you wrote, I cannot tell.) She said that she attended your fellowship and found your teaching disturbing, and she asked me about it. It was a brief email, touching on the "Elijah the Prophet" issue. I do not know this sister, not someone whom I knew in India, or someone who had written me before. It was a one time email that I received from her. (She was one of those dozens of people who wrote once, and never again.)
A few weeks after your "PERSONAL" emails, you emailed me again, one after another, to argue about the issue of "Elijah the Prophet", and you even twisted my words. You did not mark the emails as "PERSONAL" on the SUBJECT LINE. You were striking at me with your revelation, after you could not get me to agree with you in those earlier "PERSONAL" emails.
I posted the article "ELIJAH THE PROPHET" on my website. Of course, you argued it away. So, I shared your thoughts and arguments with others on this subject of "Elijah the Prophet" (not your PERSONAL EMAILS). Your name never appeared; it was erased. (However, if you continue to twist my words, in your teachings, I will expose you. Don't be like Raymond Jackson and Amos Omoboriowo, and certain others, over my words. If you want to argue against my teachings, quote my words exactly and truthfully to your audience, and then argue your case. I do not care if you disagree with my words, but do not twist and make me say things that I did not. Denominational Christians and Branhamites are doing that to Branham's statements; more so because his words were oral words. Mine were written, and should be clear enough. But if you twist my words and make me teach something that I did not, then you are a liar. If you do not understand a statement, do not venture to assume what you do not understand (like the Branhamites and the denominational Christians over Branham's words; and both are on opposite ends of a scale without true understanding).
You have been some three decades (?) in the ETM movement, and yet it seems that you did not know the issues, that you brought up; issues that have been around just several years after Branham passed away. I saw the discrepancies and errors of Branham's speech and how they were interpreted by the Branhamites as being Absolute; and why the denominational churches fought against Branham and his message, even here in Singapore in the 1970s. The former made Branham Absolute, even God Himself. The latter, they called him a cult leader, even a false prophet. For me? I saw him as God's messenger with a message for the elect, calling them out of the harlotry system. (And God had shown me a vision of that man's place in His Vineyard.) A wise man does not look at the weakness of human speech, where words and thoughts can be misplaced. A wise man HEARS WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS to the Church of Christ.
Now, in saying that, do not try to twist what I wrote here and seize the opportunity to extract my statement and MISpresent it to your audience that "Richard Gan said he 'saw the discrepancies and errors of Branham's speech', then William Branham must be a false prophet, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc.". This is what you did by MISREPRESENTING what I have presented to you in the earlier emails. Here is an example, concerning the Five-fold Ministry: I said that "Not one epistle was written by a Prophet because the Prophetic Office in the 5-Fold (Ascension Gifts) Ministry was (and still is) secondary to the Apostolic Office in the New Testament (Grace) Age....This is the order of operation and no one can change it." Yet, you replied sarcastically, "However you changed this order of operation for your beloved Prophet William Branham because: Bro. William Branham was not a Prophet in the 5-Fold Ministry. He was a Star (a Messenger) in the right hand of the Lord Jesus Christ (cf. Rev.1:16; 2:1).
The reason you gave is that William Branham was a star messenger in the right hand of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Was there only one star in the right hand of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Was not Paul a Star messenger? Was not Paul an outstanding and gifted servant of the Almighty God like those Old Testament Prophets of the caliber of Isaiah, Elijah, Ezekiel and others?
Who laid the foundation, as a wise master builder? Paul or Prophet William Branham."
Take a look at your sarcasm and your comprehension. Literally, you were not reading/hearing what was presented to you. It seems that you have only eyes for certain selective words, phrases, clauses and statements that you could pick on and conjure in your mind, then assume to say what I did not say.
You were saying that I changed the order of operation to suit my beloved Prophet William Branham, and that Branham was the only Star in the right hand of Jesus Christ. Is that what you believe I was teaching? Funny that you should ask a childish question: Who laid the foundation, as a wise master builder? Paul or Prophet William Branham. You should answer it IF you know what Paul was writing about in that epistle. Did Peter, James, John and the other apostles lay the foundation? Who laid the foundation?
Here is another example:
"Bro. Gan I am shocked and surprised to read your reasoning to overrule the mistakes and discrepancies of William Branham. You have degraded yourself by showing that there are mistakes and discrepancies in the Bible. This is the last defense of ETM believers and preachers. When they fail to defend their Prophet, his mistakes and discrepancies they stoop down to show that there are mistakes and discrepancies in the Bible. It is not only you but other ministers including Joseph Branham has made this same statement. So, if in those days of Paul, Peter, and all the rest of the apostles they had magnetic tape recording machine, and if they recorded THEIR thousands and thousands of ORAL SPEECHES (NOT IN-BREATHED WORDS) for the many years they ministered, WOULD THERE BE DISCREPANCIES? Think about it.
Your suggestion is absolutely wrong and baseless in the sight of God. If your Bible is full of mistakes then your God is full of mistakes. In that case your faith is in vain; your ministry of all these years went in to drain. Better search new god who is infallible and new book which is infallible.
My God is infallible and His book the Bible is infallible."
You said that I "have degraded myself by showing that there are mistakes and discrepancies in the Bible....Your suggestion is absolutely wrong and baseless in the sight of God. If your Bible is full of mistakes then your God is full of mistakes. In that case your faith is in vain; your ministry of all these years went in to drain. Better search new god who is infallible and new book which is infallible."
Really? Or were you, again, so taken up with finding fault that your eyes had only to pick up words, phrases, clauses and statements that suit your purpose to ram down Branham and me? And your sarcasm is so abound in you that I should search new god who is infallible and new book which is infallible. Did I really say that about the Bible? Go back and read carefully what I was trying to get you to understand. Apparently, you just cannot comprehend what I was saying, and for that matter, what others were also trying to help you understand. It seems you are a person who could not see the forest for the trees.
This is what I have written to you (below), not just about THE WRITTEN WORDS, but also about THE SPOKEN WORDS. Read carefully the whole context. And if you start extracting words, phrases, clauses and statements to suit your evil intention, you will have what tradition Christians have done to the Bible, ONE GOD in Three, and Three in One God. I am not responsible for your interpretation of my words, as God is not responsible for your interpretation of His Words. You are responsible to God, and to those whom you feed your interpretation.NOT IN-BREATHED WORDS) for the many years they ministered, WOULD THERE NOT BE DISCREPANCIES? Think about it.
>>I did not misunderstand you. You called those statements as lies or perversion. You are entitled to that.
I called them mistakes and discrepancies. I do not believe that Branham lied, deliberately. You are entitled to your judgment, being led by the Spirit.
You claimed Paul, Peter, etc, preached the Truth and that there were no discrepancies in their preaching. How do you know? What we have in the Bible are ONLY WHAT THE SPIRIT PUT PEN TO PAPERS. The WORD were in-breathed onto papers. Branham was not a Scribe. If his more than 1000 messages were not recorded on tapes, we have nothing to prove or disprove. So, if in those days of Paul, Peter, and all the rest of the apostles they had magnetic tape recording machine, and if they recorded THEIR thousands and thousands of ORAL SPEECHES (
Do you know that there are hundreds of discrepancies in the Bible?
Google: DISCREPANCIES OF THE BIBLE; john w. haley
There are even websites on the NET that are exposing the MISTAKES, DISCREPANCIES of the writings of the prophets and apostles. Not long ago I read on a website, where the writer said that Matthew lied to force fit the prophecies regarding Christ's triumphant entry into Jerusalem, and he showed the MISTAKES in Matthew's Gospel; How many animals did Jesus ride into Jerusalem? Read what Matthew said and what the prophecy said and what the other Gospel writers said. That is just one of the many MISTAKES, DISCREPANCIES -- whatever people want to call them.<<
>>Remember Nicodemus? Did he understand Jesus' words? And how many have called Jesus a crazy man and a liar because He said, "Eat my fresh and drink my blood, else you have no eternal life"? "Destroy this temple and in three days, I'll raise it up"? Huh? Jesus did not bother to explain what He said. He merely said it and leave it as it was said. Why? For the people to HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR and HOW THEY WANT TO HEAR. The WORD was scattered and the spirits of the world carried it far and wide; many the opinions of man -- "He is a liar. He is a blasphemer. He is a false prophet, a devil." Etc, etc.
If you said that the Bible has no DISCREPANCIES, then you are wrong. DISCREPANCIES are what people see; what they want to see. But for believers, we look for answers; we look for facts, we look for TRUTH. To the people, the words of Jesus (the two examples in the above paragraph) were discrepancies to facts; facts that they see and understand.
Jesus said: "What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. A prophet?" So what do the people see?
When asked whether he was Elijah, John said " NO".
But Jesus said "YES".
So if a disciple of John heard what Jesus said, he might think, "Oh my! John lied."<<
Let me ask you these question: a) Would it be wrong if I baptize a convert "in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ"? Or, should I use Acts 2:38? Or Acts 8:16? Or Acts 10:48? Tell me, which one is correct? Or are they ALL correct? If so, how come ALL are correct, since the Name have word added, or word removed? (No wonder, there are people who believe that the Bible cannot be trusted. b) Why did Jesus add words to the WRITTEN WORDS of Prophet Isaiah? "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord." -- Luke 4:18-19.
What is the meaning of God's commandment -- not to add or to remove one word?
You once wrote:
"That’s how I am troubled. I cry before the Lord when I see thousands and thousands being deviated from the person of Jesus Christ to the person of William Branham and from the Bible the Word of God to the Quotes of William Branham. From Eternal life to death."
If you really care for those thousands who are deceived and deviated from the Truth, why then are you doing it your way, that are even against the Word? I have been hitting against the LIES of Branhamism since 1974, almost 44 years now; not against Bro Branham, not over against semantic of singular or plural words; or mis-words; etc., but against Branhamism itself; against denominationalism; against personality cultism; by calling the believers to the WORD, and teaching the Sacred Scripture, making the Word alive. This was the purpose of Paul's calling; this was the purpose of Branham's calling; this is the purpose of all who are called into God's vineyard. False believers/preachers will lift up certain men of God, like it was in the case of Paul, and Branham; and even now there are several out in Christian Cultism that are lifting up their favorite preachers as Elohim. When believers are not fed the WORD of Life, they will feed on anything that is pleasing to their sight and good for food, but the end thereof is death. Organized churches think they have the Truth, while holding to tradition. Branhamites think they have the Truth while holding to Quotes of Branham. What about you? Do you think you are holding to the Truth? Or are you holding to something and fighting against the very God you seek to serve, like Saul was doing? Doing a service without it being God's will.
Well, I will end here and will no further discuss with you on your views of Branham and his teachings, even though there are other points to exposit, I will not. It will be a waste of your time and mine. As I have said to many, I say to you: Be at peace with yourself, if you believe what you believe is true.
This is from a sister in Canada:
Hello Br. Gan. I thank God that he has you well informed of all this kind of weird off the truth beliefs. you are so right Are you diligently seeking for Truth, or for are you seeking for errors? But when you diligently SEARCH THE TRUTH OF GOD, you will get GOD'S TRUTH.
I do not know who that you called Br. S. I know "of" Harold Hildebrandt. and I was going to the Byskal Way Church. The followers believe he is Elisha. where ever he goes the people pushes you just to touch Byskal shirt, or hand...,my son is a big boy and he was pushed against the wall, hurt his elbow.. the cameras go on, like a paparazzi, "Byskal the man that walk with the prophet" they praise him. Just like Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland. the praise for man. Thank God He guided me to your congregation. I do not go no place, It is true that I do not have the blessing of having communion, or washing my sisters’ feet, and that is sad. but I will not go to those churches. They are under a blanket of deception, my and that is why we get those Bergens and Collins, and Leroux, and hundreds of others we know; they leave the Message mad because of some preachers exalting themselves...Oh well. Thank you br. Gan. God bless you. Sis.I...